Matthias Mazur: We mentioned China, I’m curious. Tell us more about if you can of course, what are you doing in China and how you see the difference in music and the way music is approached in the music biz in the east, so in Asia versus the west so you know, Europe and the US?

Deams: I ended up in China and they asked me to do some showcases.

Matthias Mazur: Okay.

Deams: So that’s how I ended up in China. I stayed in Hangzhou for three months, that’s like one and a half, like an hour outside of Shanghai.

Matthias Mazur: Okay.

Deams: It gave me the opportunity to see China for example because the images that we get in the west from China, to the media are completely different from what you see out there. I’ve seen the drop resident, it’s still a communist country so you know, a lot of misjudgments, there’s no Facebook, it’s blocked, Twitter, You Tube even Sound Cloud and the list goes on but they got their own versions, also with restrictions but they got their own versions. But I just noticed a lot of business opportunities out there when it comes to entertainment because they have been closed for a lot of years. They’ve only been open from maybe 20 years, that’s when they started rising. Now they got a few problems of course, people go up to me and they want it to be fast but when it comes to entertainment, the biggest you’ve marked the world is going to be China in 2016. Half a billion people will be under age 30 and that’s also the generation that I grew up as a single child with this policy and it grew up on social media. So we also compare to the balance that access through western music, western culture. So yeah, the future is there. The only problem is the government and they’re restrictions. It’s not just going to change overnight, it’s not a problem.

Matthias Mazur: Yep. I mean that’s with great opportunity comes the setbacks and you know, the great risk obviously but…

Deams: Like hip hop is getting big out there, EDM is used but now, a lot of festival are starting to have problems with getting licenses.

Matthias Mazur:  Like to be able to run the festival?

Deams: Yeah.

Matthias Mazur: Okay.

Deams:  Let’s assume, I don’t know why, they always find a reason.

Matthias Mazur: Yeah.

Deams:   Yeah, but they are really nationalistic as a people. It’s all about China but they’re really open to western music and western culture.

Matthias Mazur:  When you say that rap and hip hop is really on the rise, is it international hip hop or is it local Chinese artists?

Deams: Chinese.

Matthias Mazur: Okay, wow.

Deams:  There’s one Chinese artist I work with who speaks English but he’s originally from Hong Kong and also live in LA, you know I forgot where he’s from. He will grab to anything but all the other artist I’ve seen and know, all of them are Chinese, Mandarin Chinese.

Matthias Mazur: Okay. When you say it’s catching on, obviously everything’s so much bigger and shinier right? The population is insane. Do you see that, I mean, we see here in festivals with half a million people, a million people, what’s the average venue there and how does the business work in terms of is it based like in the west with fees paid up front, how does that work?

Deams:  I don’t know how that works. Are you talking about how the artists get paid out there?

Matthias Mazur:  Yeah. Do you see a difference with the west or?

Deams:  I really don’t know because every club I went to has a different system.

Matthias Mazur: Okay, yep.

Deams: Usually, it was just straight cash but the fees are a little bit lower down there because people earn less. Of course you got the extremely rich but you also got a lot of…

Matthias Mazur:  Middle and poor, yeah.

Deams: Middle and poor.

Matthias Mazur:  Yep, okay.

Deams: And it also depends on what’s happened that you are as an artist.

Matthias Mazur: Yep. If you could pinpoint what, I say what’s with the state is in China at the moment of progress for music and let’s say rap and hip hop mainly, is it 10 years behind the US in terms of its development, in terms of notoriety and access to the masses or is it everyone consumes hip hop the way we do or do you see that it’s still delayed?

Deams:  They used to be behind but they’re getting real close.

Matthias Mazur:  Okay.

Deams: Real close because of the internet. Well, like I said, they still have ways to access new people and a lot of bottom music sites are not blocked so they have access to what’s going on.

Matthias Mazur: Yep so it’s really catching up fast?

Deams:  Yeah.

Matthias Mazur: Okay.

Deams: Yeah but they don’t know. No, they’re not really behind.

Matthias Mazur: Okay.

Deams:  Not anymore. They’re still learning of course, I’ve been to some shows where some artist still went like they just came out of the time machine from the 90’s.

Matthias Mazur: Yeah, okay.

Deams: You know? Or maybe it wasn’t even there, you know, their own choice, I don’t know.

Matthias Mazur:  Yep, okay.

Deams: But they’re not far behind.

Matthias Mazur:   Okay.